Open an account online in about 20 minutes or apply in-branch. Yes, J Gilmore, the account can have automatic debits, but usually the estate doesn't have recurring payments for things for very long. I just received an insurance cheque made out to " The Estate of ". I have had a couple cheques come to me for the estate. My sister was sole executor for my dads will two years ago with all three adult children as equal beneficiaries. Several expenses were incurred and paid from my own pocket while waiting for the probate to be granted. I would like to reference your site to them. The other financial company with all the investments left, did not require probate and it was a significant sum. Sometimes not applying to administer the estate is the best strategy.Lynne. No probate is required. My husband passed away recently, I am the sole beneficiary and executor of all accounts, TFSA, GIC's. The RSP is not in the estate if it names beneficiaries. What's the easiest way to cash it. Hi Lynne,I have a question. I am a retired Branch Manager from another financial institution, so her attitude did not sit well with me and basically this manger argued with me on the phone. Complaining about this for months is absolutely unreasonable since it was your father who made the choice, not the financial institution. I certainly know plenty of executors who have online access to their estate accounts. It's not what they're used to, I expect, but the law should not require you to get probate.Lynne. When will the bank require some action on the account? Will probate be necessary for this? My question is:What is the best method of paying and having proof that the payment was given to beneficiary? I certainly hope that the bank will verify by looking at the will, as this is what they are supposed to do. Hello Lynn,I'm setting up an estate account for my mother. We are also the only two beneficiaries. We have applied for probate and are selling the house. Thank you. Hello Lynn,My husband passed away last month, and I received a check from his work,death month allowance, and it is payable to his estate. Do I have any rights? Something like that might make a bank reluctant to accept the will without the backing of the court. You don't have to wait for anything but the cheque to clear. Learn more here about here about Estate accounting and the right to receive accounts Executors must account for the estate, and beneficiaries are entitled to receive, review, and challenge the accounts including any compensation claimed by the executor. I have generated expense report for the Estate, would that be sufficient for the bank to issue me payment?Thank you, You can repay yourself reasonable expenses without any prior approval from anyone. As well I received a cheque from a class action (veterans affairs). A couple of weeks later Mom passed away. You probably will not need to go through Letters of Administration just for one vehicle (depends on various factors).Lynne. If that executor feels strongly about it, he or she can give funds from their executor's fee or from their share of the estate.Lynne. My father had a joint investment account with my sister with a right of survivorship which held shares and cash which the bank has put into her name to deal with as she sees fit. I opened up an estate account when my mother's CPP Death Benefit came in. Those people actually DO know their way around estates really well. Again, square peg. so, this should be easy opening an estate account is just a formality, since all accounts go to me anyways. Do I actually need any sort of approval? What is my recourse as an executor? They will not liquidate any account of any kind worth $500,000 without either probate or Letters of Administration. Again, absolutely unacceptable.The situation needs to be cleaned up, and the quicker the better. Getting the will to Probate is going to take a bit of time. The category names can change to accommodate the estate activity. Banks do have an alternate process in place for cases like this where the cost of probate would take the whole account. Once the funeral arrangements have been made and all interested parties informed of the death, one of the first things the executor must do is deal with the bank accounts of the deceased: Finding out what banks, credit card companies, and other financial institutions the deceased dealt with, notifying them that you are the executor, and determining the details of assets in all accounts. Note that the credit union confirmed probate isnt required as the total amount of the estate is around 10,000.Thank you. I think your bank is making an error. The TD bank allowed my brother to even close accounts, and cash in GICs and made all assets payable to him. By doing so, does this mean we now have to probate the will? If all is well, the probate order will verify the will is valid. Thanks! Part of the probate process IS verifying the will, so you can do this all in one step. The two of us are the only beneficiaries. I have some Estate litigation lawyers names but want to know if I can realistically get her to replace that cheque so I can have my money. However, that is none of the bank's business. This risk is eliminated (for the bank) by the probate process. Paying out of pocket should be the last resort. If the person you're dealing with cannot do as you ask, try talking to the branch manager. I was told I would have to open a personal account in my name. Score: 4.6/5 ( 43 votes ) Using an estate account can help keep the deceased's financial matters separate from an executor's personal financial matters. If it's not going to the named beneficiaries, then it has to go to the estate and be taxed. He had a brother & sister who are now the beneficiaries. Does my daughter have to pay taxes on this as income for the year? All Canadian banks apparently have their own rules regarding estate accounts and probate. She had a will that named me executor. I want to pay his bills first and then divide up whats left when I know there are no more debts to pay. You have the will, so you can show your appointment as executor.Lynne. I went to TD with a lawyer-certified "Certificate of appointment of estate trustee with a will" document. Jobs Estate Secretary in Canada National Occupational Classification update. I was told by a local lawyer that if there were no assets that there would be no point spending approximately $3500.00 dollars to become an administrator. There is enough money in the account to pay the lump sum payments and still cover any surprises that may come up before final tax clearance is issued. I am just not sure how this is supposed to work?? If you are the executor, it's up to you to decide whether you want to take the personal risk of releasing money. The mistake is just as much yours, as a person under a POA instructing them to do something you weren't allowed to do in the first place.I know this probably isn't the answer you wanted, but that's how I see it.Lynne, Hi Lynne. I am the executor or the estate and the sole beneficiary of the will. I know taxes will need to be paid next year. My sister and I are both trustees for my mothers estate account. It makes sense from their perspective to make sure they have the right executor. Follow: Services and information Making a will and planning your estate Making and updating your will, naming your estate representative and funeral planning. Tim Walters is a Corporate Real Estate Leader with over 30 years of global experience in Account Management for Corporate Real Estate Occupier Services. While I find this admirable in spirit, I am concerned as an executor whether executors can in fact make gifts that are not specifically covered in the will, especially as there are other residual beneficiaries involved. Also because the will has not been probated and I am not willing to go through the paper work and trouble to do so what are my options for closing this account next year. All of the banks are telling me I need to wait for probate, and to process the transactions through our own accounts and keep detailed records. What is the harm of just dividing the money between the two of us and paying the last few estate bills from our own accounts? Because the cheque is written to your father's estate, it wasn't a part of the joint bank account and won't pass automatically to your mother.The bank's interest is, of course, to minimize its own risk in releasing this money to your mother. I somehow doubt this, but if yes, what additional documentation would be required?2.What are the ramifications of moving money from her account as it is today to myself for repayment? This is what the law says you are supposed to do. Everything has been done for the estate. She died in January, but now Empire Life says that they made a mistake in allowing me (as POA) to name myself as a beneficiary and want to make a cheque payable to the estate. They can object to them if they think the expenses are inappropriate.To protect yourself, keep all paperwork such as receipts, cancelled cheques, work orders, bank statements, etc. I also used the C$ account to pay out the interim inheritances last year. I'd suggest sitting in with your banking officer and having a chat. You have not just a right to see the paperwork but it is your responsibility to straighten all of this out.Definitely use some of the money to pay bills. Ask them to pay the bill from his chequing account. is there any legislation preventing them from doing so? TD does not and all transactions must be processed in person. Also I was named sole beneficiary of this cheque (insurance claim), Hi there my husband and deseaesed father in law had a joint account together now my FIL didn't have a will..can he still deposited life insurance cheques into the personal account (only child) or will he still have yo open up a estate account ?will our lawyer still have yo go to court to make him executar of estate? Thanks. However, keep in mind that as an executor, your obligation is to wind up the estate as efficiently and quickly as possible. Her girlfriend/partner of 30 years passed away. Hi Lynne.My mother passed away in September and my brother and I are co executors. My mom's name was on the deed of the house at one time but then at some point her name was removed as she was purchasing another house for investment purposes. You can close it if you want to.You haven't said who the beneficiaries of the estate are. Our client then takes the estimate to the bank and asks for a bank draft payable to the court. I am an only child. My father also had very little but there is a car in his name To anonymous July 8/19: The bank might allow that or they may require you to close the joint account and open an estate account. This had to go to their Head Office and it would take about 2 weeks. I recently received a cheque from my dads estate made out to me and "in trust" to my daughter. Can I open an estate account and deposit his cheque into it. Subject Matter Expert/Leader in Portfolio . If I leave the remainder there the bank(RBC) will nickel and dime it with service fees until there is nothing left. Safe Deposit Boxes You will need the key to any safe deposit box so you can list the contents and access any important documents it may contain. Right now she acts as though she is doing me a "favour" but trying to replace the bank draft but takes on responsibility at all and definitely refuses to sign it telling the bank excuses but telling me she will not sign her life away. Until then I have to ask for a balance and any bills I need to pay out of the account will have to be by bank draft. I suspect you may be right that someone has made a mistake and is stringing you a line of BS to try to cover it up. He had no will. They won't give any money to you, but they will pay the bill directly to the funeral home. Do they have this right? The first stage of estate planning is preparation. As I said, not all banks are responding properly to the change in the law (from 2007) and some are paying out joint bank accounts between parent and child to the child. During her lifetime we had set up a joint account so that I could pay bills on her behalf. After it is all said and done the money will be divided between all 5 of us. Estate Plan: A written document that outlines an individual's strategy for the disposition and administration of their property at their death, incapacity or total disability. You were correct when you suggested an account set up as "Administrator of the estate of Jane Doe". My Dad just died and he had 2 bank accounts with myself as co-owner with right of survivorship. What if there was a mortgage on the property (there isn't). I've looked everywhere about the time to disburse Estate proceeds and the longest I can come up with is 24 months, or so??? We also offer guidance on tax strategies to maximize your family's wealth over time, managing assets, setting up trusts, and developing estate plans that cross jurisdictions. You need to complete a simple form with a confusing title: IRS Form SS-4, Application for Employer Identification Number. If it is only bank policy and not law, however, I am going to protest this, as my brother was laid off a while back and could really use his share of the funds now. So you couldn't have used that account to avoid probate. Take the funeral bill to the bank where your uncle had his funds. My husband is executor and the only child and only beneficiary. What kind of taxes will estate have to pay and can estate have an RRSP account?? Should we be concerned? My mother maintains the joints account she had with my grandmother who passed away 4 years ago. I asked if i can close the account and open one that says Sara Smith, Administrator of the Estate of Jane Doe and they said no. If there is not enough and you have to take funds out of the sale of the house, then you have a couple of choices. Have a great day. This assumes there is enough in the account, of course. Srnicek said most brokers predict interest rates will continue to rise in the first quarter of 2023, with the first Bank of Canada announcement on the key interest rate set for Jan. 23. That really is an awful story. On to your question. That is the worst thing he can do.Now he has it set up that he is freely mingling all of this money with his own and said that the situation is going to continue for at least 4 years. Make sure you have provided everything they asked for. As a result, few executors know, relying on the issued (or not-issued!) The majority of elder financial abuse is done by the elder's kids.The police can't really do much because the power of attorney gave your brother the right to access the money. There will be no other transactions. Will the cheque clear as normal when cashed as I thought accoubt were automatically frozen when someone passed away. She also signed up for internet service to manage dads estate. I have not received anything in writing other than a few emails. DO any banks allow online access to an estate account? No bank wants funds to flow out. Offer available to Eligible Personal Clients without a Personal Banking Account with Royal Bank of Canada as of April 1, 2022 or in the five year period before April 1, 2022, who open their first new Eligible Personal Banking Account by May 31, 2022 and who comply with all other terms and conditions. Yes, I would expect that you would have to obtain probate to deal with the account, due to the high dollar value. Will I need to open an Estate Account? Thanks in advance for your input. I wasn't aware that they were doing that. No, they don't have the right to refuse to release it, but when it comes right down to it, they aren't really refusing, are they? Does the annual audit of accounts reflect this inaction? She also took forever to sell the property and never keeps us (or me) informed. Are you telling me that these are decisions being made by the bank or the financial advisor?? Thank you. Other than applying for probate, why would should we consider using a lawyer's trust account rather than a bank account? Empire Life is right, in my opinion. Yes, all executors' names must be on it. The only thing that could be in issue is the validity of the will. He had no assets. If it is simply her account, then you need to close it and open an estate account in your name as administrator. All decisions of joint executors must be made unanimously, so all three will have to sign all cheques.Lynne. Before closing an account, it is important to check to see if there are any automatic payments from or to the account. Do I just carry on as executor of the will or should I be administrator? I received a letter to say that Mom didn't qualify for the Canada Pension Death Benefit as she didn't pay in for enough years. RBC has made a royal mess for me to contend with. Having been executrix of my husbands assets 30+ years ago, I should have known better; he had accounts at both CIBC and a smaller one at RBC. Is this really 2017?Anything you can do to help would be greatly appreciated!Thanks.Fred, Personally, I don't see the difference in an online account for an estate and an online account for an individual, once you have established your credentials as the executor. The probate has just been completed.The estate is entirely investments with no actual cash other than a monthly dividend cash flow. Although I am the executor and sole beneficiary of my husband's will and whereby he was mentally incapacitated for the past 4 years and we never had set up power of attorney before his brain injury, his estate is in the position with me as executor to receive his inheritance. I fear they are aware we will be transferring all the money to another bank and that is the hold up. He has suffered a stroke and is slowly recovering but very difficult to communicate with him. Hello Lynne.I am the executor of my fathers estate. They told me I would be able to get a bank card and on-line access and cheques once I had provided them with a CAET. Can I relinquish my claim as beneficiary and have Empire Life send the money directly to my 2 brothers, thus avoiding probate? My mom's estate is about $325,000 cash, which is being managed by Wood Gundy. Canadian Western Bank (CWB) is the only full-service bank in Canada with a strategic focus to meet the unique financial needs of businesses and their owners. This is because a grant of probate is an order of the court that indemnifies everyone who follows it. Will I need to go to a bank and set up an estate account and can I do this without needing probate? It has been over 2 weeks now, I have not heard from the branch and I have no access to anything online.My question is why am I being denied any access what would be happening to the accounts that I can't access them and what is taking so long? I contacted CRA, MCP and Service Canada to advise them of Mom's death and filling out the appropriate forms. Someone at the bank is a bit too enthusiastic and I'm sure they are trying to help, but they are giving you wrong advice. He had all the necessary documents but I guess in their mind the estate was not worth their time. She said I would receive an e-mail and/or a call. I know this is an old topic, but I have a question. My mom passed in June, after living in long term care for just over a year. Where do I even go for help on this? I have paid some substantial expenses out of my own pocket and now require pay back fairly quickly as my own bills are due. At least, that's their point of view. These accounts are useful to avoid probate and are common in the US. However, to get the balance or the transactions, I have to call in and get whatever information I can. The estate is valued under 20000 dollars so we are not applying for probate. The branch manager was also called into the room. at which point the funds will go to Estate. I have seen copies of the draft and the amount in the Estate account that was left in March, so I know this is the last big payment left. Hi there If I was listed as executor as per cra but they dont give you anything to prove that, can I still open the account get the refunds from cra and close the account without this probate? Sure your mother is a qualified beneficiary but she wasn't named so it doesn't make any difference. Probate is slow because her state pension came from UK along with a small occupational pension. I went into the bank again and asked to see her but she was in a meeting so another representative took my name and number. My sister and I were listed as co-executors and my sister has since renounced her position as executor (legally documented with the lawyer that held my mothers will). Only debtscredit cards, car loan and revenue Canada as well as money owing to Eastern health for medications. My sister was POA for mom. A couple of months pass until her house was sold and the sale closed a week ago. My sister agrees that my father intended the investment account was to be shared equally between my sister and me. Either you were joint executors, or one was named executor and the other as alternate. As far as the bank is concerned, your father's account is still HIS account and not an estate account until the probate has come through. Lynne. I am in a similar situation with no will for my deceased father. You can apply for an ID number online, at www.irs.gov. Also, if there are two beneficiaries, neither is a "sole" beneficiary, since "sole" means "one". An estate representative administers a deceased person's estate. I was told we can't do this unless we have a probabated will. Thanks so much for your prompt and informative response. Yes, you should should go to the bank to set up an estate account, and no you shouldn't need probate to do that. Had she appointed someone honest, this wouldn't have happened, but I'm sure she had no reason not to trust him. It's never speedy at the best of times, but it will be longer if there is confusion over who is supplying what papers.Lynne, Hi Lynne,My Step daughter has an estate check for her and my son. It does not include joint accounts in which the other party is still alive. Utter incompetence on their part considering they should have informed me of this long ago. There is little money available from the deceased and the bank will only pay the bills to keep the house running. If that doesn't work, go across the street to their competition, tell them your story, and open the account there.Lynne. Estate accounts are 'prepared by the estate trustee'. I am the sole trustee and sole beneficiary, and fortunately, my father passed without any debts. Lynne. In fact I never actually did this as she was quite capable herself. I just found out that the bank where the estate accounts exist is increasing fees for idle/dormant accounts (which these are, essentially) and I'd like to avoid being nickel and dimed for service fees. Your bank manager will be familiar with the process.If you do that, you can take control of the account, so you will be able to pay the taxes from it. My mother died a few months later, after which my brother claimed he had no money. I have set aside more than enough to cover that expense. The things people will do to their own parents is absolutely appalling. She had no assets other than a savings account. My question to you is, other than the formality is it wise to do this or wait for the Certificate of tax Clearance from the CRA? Her financial advisor confirmed that the change was made and i was also added as joint on her chequing account. I'm so sorry to hear about your son. Any advice you may be able to offer would be appreciated. I had Mom's bank card as she always had me use it in the stores because her dementia was getting worse and she was too confused to use the interac or bank machine. The judge has discretion to deal with the will. Unfortunately, what you are trying to do is completely against all estate law, which is based on the documents that exist, not the documents that might have existed or could have existed.Your father left the RRSP beneficiary form with named beneficiaries. most of her property was gifted to me before her death. She only gets $60 back because that is what she had deducted every year. This was done after receiving the Probate Certificate which was scanned into the estate dept. I am executor of the will. i have a will, am the executor, and can open an estate account if necessary. If you are not applying for probate for any other reason, I don't see why you would apply for it because of a small cheque. There is money in the trust account for my dad supposed to be $50,000 and till today we don't know what happened to it.The thing now is,the money in my Dad's bank account here in Canada we cannot have access to it the Royal bank wants a probate and when I went to the Probate office the chap said " no way will it go through ".So what, does the banks in Canada have the rights to our parents money ?I was the Power of attorney and yes of cause and i cannot do anything afer one passes.Lynn you see how complicated this is and now we lose the land and the money .If there is less then $25,000 I know some banks release the money but Royal Bank refuses and I have been in touch with the head office and they suggested a probate and by the time I do it there will be nothing left .Please can you help me ?Thanks, Roberta, Roberta, yes I can help you, but not on a blog post. My mother passed away in mid-March. My mother learned the hard way that her money was not as 'safe' in the banks as she thought. The branch manager says this is not possible because there are two co-executors which needs to sign and the only way is to send her a letter of direction each time we need a bill paid. Do we really have to go through probate? Meanwhile my brother received it but I did not. Apparently, they were under no such obligation, in fact the manager of one bank stated, that since my brother was POA, he could do what ever he wanted with my mother's money, and the first thing he did was put a couple thousand towards a loan payment (don't know to which bank - but it does mean they benefited). Lynne. Two convenient options: Pay annually and save - $39.50 per yea The bank has closed the account and sent the cheque to the estate. She is also the executor, which means that ultimately she is the one who will take responsibility for the payment of the funds.So, what is their risk? He had a will and I am his sole beneficiary. Do you mind if I place your article on my blog and reference your site to it?Cheers,Larosabelle, Hi Larosabelle,Thanks! Do I just issue cheques from the estate account and the cancelled cheque is proof? I now realize I should not have closed it as we have to do taxes next year. In some states and in some estate situations, estate accounts are restricted. Please don't tell me you just walked away and left the estate alone for 5 months! All of her finances had us listed as 50/50 beneficiaries and have been paid out to us, including her bank account of 24000. The strategy is usually accomplished through the writing of a Will and establishing Powers of Attorney and similar documents. I can see them wanting you to show that you're the executor of the estate but as for requiring the original will, no I don't see it.You can just accept the requirement and let them copy it, or go somewhere else.The time is ripe for a trust company, credit union, or some small bank to fill this gap for consumers.Lynne, Two concerns: 1 - Our brother is the executor of fathers estate (death was Oct/17) of 1 to 1.5 million. In the next breath the employee told the other executor, the old account is now yours and you can take the Money and run. It's under $75,000. I am the sole executrix named in his will. Hope this helps others who deal with RBC regarding non probated wills. There are 5 of us siblings and my 4 siblings have all agreed that I would take care of Mom's account. Contact a Calgary Wills & Estates Lawyer today My dad passed away and has no will, no assets, no liabilities, no bank account. By this I mean a proper account set up, funds properly deposited, interest properly paid to the account, nobody else with access to it, and a full, accurate accounting of every penny. A sizable amount ended up here. Also before closing an account, make sure any estate payments are not scheduled to be deposited into the account and there are no pending checks or charges. One lawyer told my mother, that she had a case against the three banks, but of course she was dying and had no money except for her pension, which he took, convincing her he had made a deal for my brother to return the money, and pay thousands in legal fees, to the lawyer. The taxes on capital gains on the shares were paid after filing my father's final tax return. Hello Lynne,My father passed away last April, and as my mother is still living and all accounts were jointly held, it was a simple process of transfer of ownership. The cheque isn't written to you or to your husband, which is why it cannot be deposited. What do I need to do to prove that I am the only beneficiary?thanks. If you haven't wound up the estate in a year and there is no good reason for it, you could end up in a dispute with the beneficiaries and possibly in court.Lynne. Otherwise, this could end up being worked out with lawyers for the bank, which in my experience is like hitting your head repeatedly on a brick wall.Lynne. I am the person who paid for the funeral and I already applied for the CPP death benefit. I agree that you should not run any estate money through your personal accounts. However, this doesn't mean that property and assets left to heirs will not be taxed. My mother passed away January 19, 2020. Sometimes the bank will know about these, but sometimes you have to review old statements to figure it out. Only child and only beneficiary `` sole '' means `` one '' is the validity of the bank the. '' means `` one '' and quickly as possible that is none of the probate process for me to with. 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