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In fact, his case is better against her then Van Houten at that point. Bugliosi said. I thought Lake Victoria was the source of denial, but it appears to be somewhere in New Hampshire.Mother Kasabian is one of those people who live in a vacuum, in some freaky parallel universe.Linda didn't make a binary change to 16 year old, dropout, and rogue's bride as characterized. var part3 = "David at Mansonblog dot com"; They both got to live out long lives. Im open to another motive and assuming there probably is one, but cant find the same evidence for it that I can for H/S- all am I saying By the way Dreath - if you have never seen it you can go to Back Porch Tapes and watch the video of Beatrice Berry Show- or Bertrice Berry? RH: no that's not what I am saying. Dreath saidI don't believe she told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truthThat could depend on what you suspect to be "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Here is just one example- Leslie and Pat on Diane Sawyer:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn2zULFwB_w&list=RDXghrXEKLNhw&index=4. Went to high school with her in Milford, NH. Hippies were generally viewed as only a couple of notches above the Family {who were themselves viewed as Hippies}. "I am here because I wanted to tell the truth. Manson Mythos saidThere is an interesting quote from Fleischmann in an issue of the Free Press prior to Kasabian becoming the star witness. And the wallet, as you've pointed out, was found on Parent.You don't agree. "Oh yes, Mr Pritchard has been convicted in the past of robbing banks, but he lives at home and looks after his elderly and disabled Mother and his wayward sister's troubled child..". No other reason." But still, nobody is going to argue if you apply terms like bad and evil to Tex. How did Linda's teachers report on her behavior? The recent revelation of the close proximity of the apartment where Saladin Nader allegedly lived and the HQ of the Straight Satans is something that cannot be dismissed as pure Coincidence.When one looks at this case, it's almost miraculous that Vincent Bugliosi had a scenario that answered so many important questions and that the answers all seemed to help his case greatly. Charlie went back to where he'd spent most of his life; I don't believe that he wanted to be there but I think he's long been pragmatic about jail. AKA: Linda Christian, Yana the Witch, Linda Chiochios. She seems to have done the exact opposite of Linda with her life- which just goes to show you, even in the worst of circumstances- people can make their own fate. Because the socialist told me to vote for her, despite only weeks earlier being the leader of a revolution against the 1%. I'm affected by tragedies of all kinds, even some of the self inflicted ones.Sympathy is something that just doesn't make sense to me.I can see that !But I feel it for a variety of the players in this saga. Remember, Al Springer testified that he liked Tex most of all in the Family. She clearly loved her children and tried to be a good mother. And they all had a modicum of help. According to cielodrive.com, Linda and Robert lived together for three months, however, they divorced when she was 17 years old. document.write(part3 + ''); You can correct me on that one. But I'll say no more and wait for the film to be released.Also, if you believe what is written in the Guinn book, while she didn't say Kasabian engaged in any violent acts, she claims she didn't do any of what she said on the stand. ]MR.KANAREK: He is arguing with the witness, your Honor. Her contentious relationship with her stepfather eventually led to her dropping out of her high school and running away from her home. But wait a minute Grim, Atkins never mentions this event to the Grand Jury, not a word. There have also been a number of stories of the appalling way some care workers have treated the residents so this has also unfairly soured their general image in the minds of many. Deemers doesn't have her even having one but since Mark Ross and others are on the list he must have been updating after she got picked up? ]But her last statement in the world of saintly jurists is not 'reliable': you as the listener/ reader should stop listening/reading where indicated. A car accident left Linda mildly disabled, and unable to work. Perhaps he even was trying to remind her about the importance of midnight, we'll never know. I'm kinda thinkn' there were plenty of precursors, gleefully ignored, or dismissed.Linda's report cards packed with A's and B's? This marriage too did not prove to be stable and Linda Kasabian returned to stay with her mother in New Hampshire. In 1968, the couple's first daughter Tanya was born. Linda Kasabian is a former member of the Manson family, a desert commune led by the infamous cult leader Charles Manson. He was a talented musician and her initial days at the ranch were filled with LSD, music, stories, dancing around and orgies. But none of us can say what Tex's life might have been if he had stayed in Texas instead of going out to trippin Cal and soaked his brain in bella donna. She married, divorced, remarried, and gave birth to a daughter in 1968. "Also as stated somewhere earlier, it didn't need some bogus story about a Lebanese actor to cover any Linda murder mania, not when 2 of the murderers had previously told police and other witnesses that she hadn't killed anyone.Given that no one was charged with even the attempted murder of or conspiracy to murder Saladin Nader, one might have to conclude you're chucking exhibits from that box of red herrings again Vincent Bugliosi said the only reason Linda went along on those two nights, is because she was the only one out of the group with a valid driver's license. Clearly, in his eyes he is as highly qualified to judge as God. The price for everyone else was horrific. My usage of it is very much in the biblical sense. If Fleischmann actually did come up with that plan to knock Atkins out of the last seat in the life boat it was brilliant. Her testimony eventually led to the convictions of Manson, Watson, Atkins, Krenwinkel, and Van Houten. The idea of Charles Manson symbolizing evil is daft to me ~ even though I think he is guilty of what he was convicted for. And some members of the killer's families such as Leslie's dad or one of Tex's siblings might have lived for years haunted by what someone they loved was capable of doing.My original point in the above post was just to say that old cliche of being impossible to judge a person or situation unless you walk a mile in their shoes. How perfect. Of course there could have been alternative possibilities. But it's slippery ground to go with either, if you want to keep Charlie out of all this. Sorry. [Strike 3! His closing argument, like the closing argument of any attorney, is just that 'argument'. I think part of where our paths parallel instead of cross is training. She. That is not my version of Clearly loving your children, but again these are just my opinions.Both of these people were involved in murder or attempted murder. Back then British law was tough. She had four children. She did not participate, but was the driver of the vehicle that took them to and from the murder sites. Hey, there are some similarities to Manson. Perhaps soemthing more general. Indeed, Tex has cleared Susan of stabbing Sharon Tate, while Pat cleared up the mystery of who carved WAR on Leno LaBianca and Tex has subsequently revealed he coerced Leslie into doing "something" {which is not to in any way diminish her responsibility}.But nothing regarding Linda, except the penalty phase debacle which all the main players have since admitted was lies and rubbish. And it is almost impossible - hell, it is impossible - to cut the guy who proclaimed himself the Devil before butchering nine people any slack. She was a witness for the District Attorney, Vincent Bugliosi. Grim, Probably move the goal posts was not the best turn of a phrase. For example where Manson Mythos said:while he [Charlie] is no angel, I don't think he is all bad.So he does have redeeming qualities and a good side as well I agree with him there. AustinAnn74 saidI never thought she was an innocent flower childOf her being a Hippie he commented that "if any witness was ever placed under a microscope, it was Linda Kasabian, and I am convinced that each and every one of you saw the same thing under that microscope, a young hippie girl whose aimless drug oriented life tragically led her to Spahn Ranch, Charles Manson, and two nights of murder ~ two nights of horror"Hippies were not seen as the vanguard of morality or these nice folk that straight society looked to as the shining example of what young people were to be. I didn't perceive you as the problem. St Circumstance saidThis is a girl who started breaking laws at a very young age. The parts I found 'dramatic' would probably pass many people by. Manson Mythos saidWhether Linda engaged in any violence or had the ability to do so isn't the big question hereI was responding to your The big question: How do WE know she wouldn't kill? Plus Tex's born-again act just comes across as to smarmy and sanctimonious. Granted, not everyone becomes a murderer because of a rough passage in a part of one's life, but to be honest, that's no argument, because some do.But this isn't an appeal to feel sorry for anyone, just an observation that life contains nuances that are neither easy to explain nor simple to dismiss. You are correct, alone it is meaningless. Even if all the things said about her are true in terms of immunity and self interest, that doesn't change that. Leslie told Marvin Part what she believed.Marvin Part thought she was mad.Part taped her and asked her questions that brought the very answers that had led him to the conclusion she was a lunatic.Part wanted the Judge to hear the tape but he refused and ordered 3 psychiatrists to listen to it to see if they felt she was fit to stand trial.Leslie herself refused to be examined by any psychiatrists because as far as she was concerned she was perfectly sane.Leslie fired Marvin Part.The events mash rather than bear out your assertion.We also overlook the fact both Manson and the girls could have easily attempted to put the entire thing on Tex WatsonThat's a really good point. She swore before a Grand Jury, that under the direction of Charlie Manson, she stabbed actress Sharon Tate to death and had participated in the murder of music teacher Gary Hinman.During her grand jury testimony, Atkins testified that there was no limit to what . Besides the motives of Manson's passion for violent death and his extreme anti-establishment state of mind, the evidence in this trial will show that there was a further motive for these murders." By his closing argument, he calls it the main and principle one ! It probably seems quite insensitive to say this, but lots of people have lost loved ones to murderous violence and in addition, Rosemary LaBianca's daughter Suzan at one point demonstrated that not only was it possible to get over it, but that forgiveness and it's aftermath were realistic propositions. Manson announced that it was time for Helter Skelter, the inevitable race war after which he and his followers would take control of America. Those people would have gone unpunished, and were very capable of murdering again, especially Watsonwhich as far as I can see was a good thing. George Stimson reckons it was because she owed him, after Charlie had protected her from her husband and Charles Melton when they came to get their $5000 back. But when I compare the before with the after in Jay's death, for me there's no comparison.The question is why would Atkins leave Sharon, alive and alone, in the house to take this little stroll?Going to get a knife from Linda, struggling with Frykowski towards the front door, shouting to Tex for helpThere is no one inside. That is exactly what Leslie Van Houton was charged and CONVICTED forYeah, despite Bugliosi saying in his closer:"One thing is abundantly clear. There are so many times when he asks Linda if she has understood the question. Of course, "robbery" also STIMULATES a capitalist society. Leading the WitnessA leading question is one that either suggests the answer to the witness or provides words the witness can simple use to answer the question. As soon as Atkins testifies Bugliosi has a pretty good case against Kasabian. Are any of you people aware of the history of Jehanna D'arcAKA Jone of Arc?Delusionalmaybe, but it would be the equivalent of Lesley Van Houten taking her knife and not killing innocent soft targets, but storming the LAPD for her beliefs. On August 8, 1969, Kasabian and. If that had been the motive, there wouldn't have been any need to stab Voytek Frykowski fifty-one times, to hit him thirteen times over the head and shoot him twice. Retrospectively however..Linda K. is the perfect choise for examination IF you want to discover a more human side of the Manson Family StoryThat tends to be my chosen angle of approach because for me, it is a very human story, encompassing a large scope of culture, society, rebellion against it, motivation etc. Now, give me an approximation.A. She stole money from her friends to impress people she knew for days. You'd do it if you were a lawyer ! It's doubtful she would have gotten a California license simply because she had no permanent address and moved around a lot, even from state to state. After the trials you have 'the' motive and it is in their best interest to jump on the band wagon. It was dark for 4 or 5 hours, after it had been dark.Q. It's kind of passed into folklore that that is the reason but no reason has ever been actually given. I kept wondering what the relevance was. Most likely a white man took his place. Who are these Black Muslims and what exactly is THEIR role in the Black and White race WAR ?2) Did Charles Manson have some kind of personal connection or understanding with the Black Muslims ?3) Were there any OTHER connections to Helter Skelter, besides the Beatles song of that same name ?4) What exactly was YOUR understanding - on August 9th and 10th 1969 - of WHY the TATE / LaBianca murders were taking place ? That change must include the BPPs Ten Points. A good example is that Mike McGann interview of Leslie that CieloDrive.com put up. Dreath saidDo I give weight to what anyone says after they were convicted: Not much. Linda, who was found, possessing methamphetamine, avoided a jail sentence by attending drug-counseling classes. Manson Mythos saidVincent Bugliosi said the only reason Linda went along on those two nights, is because she was the only one out of the group with a valid driver's licenseHe never actually said that. But in saying that, he'd never wanted Susan in the first place {"we don't give that gal anything !"}. WELL, WELL, there it is folks - the PROOF - the spell of Charlie Manson's "hypnotic" POWER lasts FOREVER, or at least for a few years, depending upon how strongly you got zapped.Thanks Dreath,BTW: the Defense $$$ got had by Daye Shinn. I am unclear what you mean by the 'got in Parent's car' issue. That's 3 times in a week. As long as that question hung in the air unanswered, the jury would have a hard time believing Linda Kasabian and Bugliosi's claim that out of all these people who were fully ready, willing and able to murder for Charles Manson, there was one out of the group who happened to be an angel who thought it was simply a "creepy crawl mission".Not only did he answer that question, there was an entire scenario where not only was she asked and had a weapon put in her hand, but one in which she also proved to be a hero and thwart the plan and save a life! LISTEN Carefully, Dreath is telling US the LaBianca house was a "robbery" gone BAD.Well Dah ! ID of S.E. My number was never called. Yes, it is common for lawyers to try to project a favorable image of their witnesses, especially a witness as 'key' to the case as Kasabian. ?Most definitely.Both were at different stages and had come through different experiences.However.there were also some similarities. What other ID would she have used? 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