I know several people who know or knew both of the surviving children as well as Diane. 2. This is basically the book best kept secrets in condensed form full of outlandish theories. 1st, you came back from a trip? I wish she could get a new look. On a side note, what do you think of parole of Leslie Van Houton? Have you actually read the transcript of the trial?? I followed the trial. The weird behavior (laughing and joking in the shooting reenactment), bullets found at her home and the constant changing of her story only is icing on her guilty cake. Of course I saw movie first, then read the bookI wanted more, sadly early Internet days, there wasnt much out there, as far as info or video, picturesnothing really. You mention that her attorney should have raised objections. They never found the gun and she showed no signs of having fired one. Downs tried to defend herself against the allegations and said, "Why would I have taken my kids to the hospital? How about dads side of the family? Amanda Knox Is Not Far Behind! Again thats opinion, and neither balanced nor objective. I actually do not know what really happened. And how the letters became so bizarre, paranoid and psychotic that she told Diane to stop writing her. It was all about Charlene wanting KnickKnick ~wanting Dianeand Diane wanting a return to the peace she had before Knick asked his wife for a divorce. It should be illegal to use real names and facts from a criminal case while influencing the publicto falselybelieve that the whole content of the filmis true. Anne Rule made a big deal of a brass unicorn engraved with the childrens names that Diane had purchased. Its a rather large part of the story. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial: speculation Wrong. I will change it. In fact, watching that was the first time I heard her voice and saw her presence, it was a year or so later that old interviews showed up on YouTube. All rights reserved. She also underwent a gun residue test that same evening that revealed no trace of gun powder on her hands. James C. Jagger who was hired by Dianes father was an ex-Prosecutor. Diane was cooked the minute she walked in that courtroom. On June 2nd, 1983, Juvenile Court Judge Gregory Foote held a hearing to take Christie and Danny away from ALL blood family (thus isolating them). In an interesting development, in 1986, Christie and Danny Downs were adopted by Fred Hugi, the lead prosecutor who put their mother behind bars for the rest of her life. There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. What was the justification? (Yes in the 1980s a ten yr like myself was not as mature as say todays 10 yr olds. The flesh and muscle had been cored three days earlier, but the steel plate and bone graft could not be effected for two weeks (a precaution against infection). She said She did it. Police interviewed Steve Downs about his ex-wife and discovered that she owned a .22 caliber gun like the one used in the shootings. CK was willing to take, or attempt to take, the lives of 4 people in order to steal their car. Because Foote was already familiar with the case, the presiding judge assigned him the murder trial after Downs was charged with the shootings. I have no dog in this race. I agree with your comment. I always welcome new information, evidence and opinions if they have a strong base and are not mean spirited, but I dont get the relevance of this comment to the case itself. Robert Lee Knickerbocker . I can make out I will ask you to take a good look at the people in your life. When Downs expressed disbelief at the mans request, she said he started shooting through the window at her three children. I was being sarcastic. Diane asked for proof that her ex husband was behind the shooting. Mission accomplished. 5. Every single one of these questions matter. The notes taken daily by the nurses became a point of contention at trial. What?? And if he really was attached to them and wanted to offer them a permanent home, it means he was unfit to be the prosecutor in this case. And if you claim your innocence, it obviously creates a vicious circle of not showing contrition. The gun presented at trial being the wrong one is a fact. I was a patient of the doctor who worked so hard to save her childrens lives that night. She has come a long way. Christie became the star witness against her mother and who could resist such a touching testimony? Reddit is a social news website where the registered users submit content, in the form of either a link or a text post. Too bad it triggered you, maybe try to stay away from sites that might not go along with the mob mentality and usual media narrative. Justice is all that is left. They were the small sacrifices. I went on ebay and ordered multiple stuff from the 80s, news footage, just to hear what she sounded like, because of all the talk in the book about her demeanor. Two wrongs do not make a right but illustrates that she should have never been coerced before, during or after the trial. Only in Hollywood and in Ann Rules books, would you find such fantasy: Relevance? They should have left her alone. He hired Jim Jagger on the 1st of June 1983, 11 days after the shooting. The powers that be knew they had nothing on Diane so Christie became their sacrificial lamb. She learnedat a young age to keep her emotions in check and to always present a strong and brave front. Any thoughts on how the detectives basically made up their mind right away in spite of numerous tips coming in? He still shouldnt have been allowed to adopt them while the appeals process was ongoing, if he had any role in those cases. So when Dr. George Suckow from the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was called as a States rebuttal witness and he made a professional diagnosis of Diane as histrionics, antisocial and narcissistic, he openly said in court that he interviewed Diane for 1 hour and read evidence presented by the state to make his diagnosis. Results for this person or the person you are looking for are not guaranteed to appear in search results. Why would anyone think Christie could remember the night of the shooting anyway?? For 10 days, Downs remained at large. Not giving you free reign here. Thats why Diane wouldnt agree to marry unless Knick first signed a premarital agreement that when they divorced, Knick would take nothing from their marriage. Plus, Diane could have never cleaned her clothes and her hair to remove blood and gun powder. How asinine. There were a few calls and on one occasion, The most frequent remarks I hear about the case when confronted by the state misconduct and the lack of evidence are gut feelings , So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. She repeated it years later at school. You are not the only one who thinks she is guilty and I know that getting their man at all cost is a popular mantra, but I disagree. She had no priors and no history of violence in prison. It is a research done on the case according to many sources. Diane was instructed to reenact her response to the attacker who murdered her daughter. If a person were innocent of the crime they were convicted of this puts them in a no-win situation. Just similar stuff.and that I guess, makes it easy for me to see how that song could of fueled her up.never underestimate the power if a song..what feels intense and exciting to you, may not to another, but shoot, anytime I hear pink floyd run like hell.takes me right back 1991 in the heat of my chase..for me, I got the answers I wanted from 89 when my friend said that about the Duran song and it involved in that case. The photo of Hugi I used is the one you find when you do a search online for Fred Hugi who prosecuted Diane Downs. I have no idea how the social workers and county attorneys justified doing their due diligence in preserving the family (mandated by law) when they were in court. And after Diane left Arizona she didnt call Knick to inquire about his love, but rather about when he would repay the $500 (Appendix 81, pages 1479-1480). In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. That single fact collaborated by a witness, convicts her for me. I watched the paroles hearing in 08, was lucky to find it, it was streamed live at the timemy sister, who is a whiz with computers, found it for me. How could they expect a normal mother/daughter reunion between a beaten inmate whose mental health had degraded and a daughter trapped in this insanity? Expand the Memories and Condolences form. Considering the lack of evidence, it seems that she was condemned mostly because of herinappropriatestatements and behavior. What about the terror of being interrogated by strangers and separated from her family? When she returned to the hospital, Downs was informed that Cheryl was dead, but her other two children had survived the attack. Knick never signed the premarital agreement and Diane never married him. But if the blogger is arguing that the blog is balanced and objective, thats patently untrue. Plus: California man uses Bitcoin to pay hitman to murder his ex; police accuse woman of abandoning baby found frozen to death in 1985; woman who may be victim of alleged D.C. serial killer identified; and Ghislaine Maxwell makes bid for lighter sentence. this is your 2nd quote which contradicts the first one .. Lets not forget that she was presumed to have fired a gun 6 times at close range within the confines of a small car. Movie scene alleging that Christie was scared. So I did not post your comment about his answer to your inquiry. On the night of May 19, 1983, Downs was driving with her three children. ), years in solitary confinment Whats wrong with us?! She was not in the car when her children were shot. Her children were obviously more severely injuredbecause being captive in the car while a shooter aimed at them gave them less of a chance to wiggle out of the situation than an adult outside the car. Just like Rule though, your blog is extremely biased, and reads almost as though she told you exactly what to write at times. , 87. Ann Rule did not leave a great legacy as far as honest reporting goes, and she is not the only one to have commercialized a criminal case for personal gain. Actor Robert Blake was found not guilty of the shooting murder of his wife. Knicks habit of turning on and turning off their relationship was known to Diane long before he admitted it in court a year later (Appendix 81, page 1520, line 21): Q. So it looks and sounds like she is getting special treatment because of her notoriety. In 1979, headstrong Diane gave birth to Danny who was not Stevens biological son because he had no desire to be a father again. Nobody ignored Dianes demeanor. She waseighteen and soon realized that she had jumped from the fire into the frying pan. I dont know the woman. And even when confronted by the wrongful practices used at trial to get her convicted, are ok with her being locked up for life. Whenever your shoot a gun that many times and that close to the victims, theres going to be blood and powder residues. Even prosecutor Fred Hugi was seen walking the grounds to try to find the weapon. I had never heard of this case and fell upon several videos that had me completely convinced DD was a narcissistic psychopath. Downs was born in Phoenix, Arizona, on August 7, 1955, to Danish and English American parents Wesley Linden and Willadene Frederickson. He is in his 70s now and his photo is not on his linkedin or anywhere I could find. But she suffered from mental illness and the circumstances were traumatic. Is it too late to respond to this? 3. I agree that the verdict may have been very different. Robert calls Tucson, AZ, home. A. I believe Charlene and I had a big blowout around Thanksgiving and I left, called Diane. You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. It may take up to 1 hour for your comment to appear on the website. Robert has resided in Tucson, AZ in a mobile / manufactured home with Tommy. Alana Renee Cole, 45, remains at large; authorities say she should be considered dangerous. It appeared rigged and the fact that Ann Rule sat in the courtroom ready to produce a Masterpiece of Guilt could only help the prosecution. Get Notified when Robert Arthur Knickerbocker's info changes. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. The police admitting on the stand that after 2 weeks, they stopped looking at suspects appears to be a fact. But to convince this young and vulnerable girl to turn on her mother, they needed to isolate her from her family and work relentlessly on her confession.. Regina, I love your comment! I didnt know that. Knickerbocker even reportedly told Downs hed leave his wife and move to Oregon to be with her, where she'd taken a job with the U.S. Almost from day one, Diane was perceived as a cancer they had to remove. I say these things if I were on the jury. According to Diane, she then saw a man on the road flagging her and stopped thinking he needed help. This blogger apparently believes anything she hears to support her inaccurate theory that Diane Downs was falsely accused and convicted. Knickerbocker, Robert C.Robert C. Knickerbocker, age 82 of Tucson, AZ, passed away on May 15, 2015 in Tucson. Diane described the stranger that shot them on the road and a police artist came up with a sketch. So imagine when you are troubled to begin with. And Robert Knickerbocker became one of her lovers. but later you claim Diane was inside the car and shot the kids in the car and that that BECAUSE she was inside the car she should have had blood splatter on herso WHICH IS IT, I dont know which it is Libby. Disclaimer: Reference to these media outlets or TV shows should not be construed to imply an endorsement or sponsorship of Spokeo or its products. She had been isolated from her whole family and being unethically interrogated. The hell with doubts, ballistics and pesky details about the shooting, we cannot disagree becausethere is hunting and fishing to do and friendships to uphold. Sheriffs Deputy Roy Pond admitted in court that he had already concluded that Diane was guilty and stopped following leads on the orders of his sergeantthree weeks after the shooting. If not from her high profile status, she would already be out. Related To . She functions best in highly structured environments where she has a sense of control. (Page 3) I dont care what Diane Downs says at the parole board hearing, except if she is innocent or guilty. Resides in Phoenix, AZ. Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs.. How.. they attacked him. Do you remember a couple of days after that, December The gun problem or the absence of blood and powder residues are not make believe. The way Christie was coached did not correspond to the reality of the direct evidence. Her family supported her. Diane had moved to Oregon only 6 weeks before the tragedy to work in the area and have her parents spend time with the kids. Send flowers or a gift to a service or family's home. Farrah had trouble with the law because of a passionate love affair with a movie director. I do not post rude comments. As for how to answer this question,,, seems like he is assuming guilt and because of this my parents or me or my brothers and sister, our uncles and aunts were not considered because of an unproven allegation Does he truly believe this is ok??? The question is of course, how can we determine guilt or innocence without a fair trial? It is because she is a high profile person. I mention in the blog that Dianes mental health is in question so it is obvious that her encounter with her long lost daughter was going to be difficult. I lived through the media coverage. The strong, emotive language. The authorities wanted to see them mourn and fall apart. The problem with high profile cases is that the media, the DA, the cops and authors like Ann Rule dictate the narrative and it becomes almost impossible to look any other way unless you are a critical thinker devoid of emotions related to the case. They did a trace metal test to see if Diane had held a gun. Diane had met all the requirements to be paroled. While I appreciate your empathy for the victims of this crime, I have to wonder if all murderers should be locked up their entire life? I agree on many points with your comment. There have been behaviors that in the general course of events one may expect from a single parent that in a way have been falsely interpreted as being some form of evil.. Don't know what in the world came over me, Christopher P. Stokes told a Wisconsin court. When a unicorn and hungry like the wolf make their way into a court room during a high profile trial, its a red flag. She was interrogated without a representative from the defense and was not taped for the most part. You indicated you were not going to get a divorce? When he said that he and his wife had reconciled he wasnt lying either, because, throughout the investigation and the trial in which Robert testified against Diane his wife stood by him. Her next parole hearing will be in 2020. Why is there virtually no info on him? For more on this case, watch the "Fatal Attraction" episode of Investigation Discovery's Deadly Women on ID GO now! Plus, you do not let a newly appointed judge to criminal cases, preside over a high profile murder case when he has no experience whatsoever and has already prejudged the defendant dangerous to her children. What would have been the conclusion to have drawn without this hate campaign? It was a harrowing, shameful miscarriage of justice. She said no mother would stop at 10 at night, in the dark, with three young children, to help a Bush haired stranger. You need real evidence in court. Diane has not been deemed an ongoing public threat that I am aware of. View the profiles of people named Robert Knickerbocker. Downs was constantly provoked by inmates because of the nature of her situation, and she never once attacked or defended herself in a violent manner. If youre in charge of handling the affairs for a recently deceased loved one, this guide offers a helpful checklist. Robert and Diane even decided toget matching rose tattoos, but as soon as the ink on her tattoo was dry, he refused to get his done. I wasnt there and the records will never be brought to light as far as the child welfare case. The blogger continues, I am not one sided. Nine months after the shootings, on February 28, 1984, Diane Downs was arrested and charged with one count of murder and two counts of attempted murder. Gun shot residue is not always present. Its a fact. See more Show your support Send Flowers Send flowers or a gift to a service or family's home. Downs is said to have claimed that she spotted a bushy-haired man who waved down her car along the desolate road. No OTHER reason. Brewer freely declared that Diane Downs would never have been convicted except that he believed the lie Jim Jagger permitted Fred Hugi to enter into the record. Rule even talked about writing a book about her but it never materialized. And that Ann Rule took advantage of the situation to sell her book. I did not shoot my children.. 2023 Cinemaholic Inc. All rights reserved. It was far fetched, unfoundedand convenientlyrelayedby Rule to boost the sales of her book. So glad you wrote and provided this information. This case had many similarities to the Alice Crimminsstory. A. I told Diane before, but I certainly didnt tell her to I tried to contact you by email but my email wouldnt acknowledge you email address. Do you remember probably about four or five days after Leave a memory or share a photo or video below to show your support. You said that the absence of both prove she couldnt have been to shooter and you claim it takes real scrubbing to remove GSR. Therefore, my understanding is that the original sentence is deemed indefinite with parole hearings every 10 years. I accept that it is sometimes necessary but I believe in rehabilitation. Im not arguing the facts of the trial, and Im not about to. Where to begin? 4.Diane was NOT arrested for almost a year after the shootings the d.a. If it was not such a high profile case, Diane Downs would have been paroled a long time ago: speculative, Ill stop there. They played the tape in the courtroom, and the fact that Diane did not break down but tapped her foot to the music, was supposed to be another proof of her guilt. Some basic help and starters when you have to write a tribute to someone you love. View their profile including current address, phone number 480-307-XXXX, background check reports, and property record on Whitepages, the most trusted online directory. And Im really not on the fence the little girl was coachedI believe the ex husband , his freinds, and her lovers were invalid either way. She threw her keys yet was able to take off right away?? No matter how horrible people think she is. Who Is Robert Knickerbocker? She was expelled and reunited with him against her parents wishes. Either way he could NOT have seen who shot him unless he has eyes in the back of his head. By the way, Dianes parents mourn the loss of their grandchildren to this day. If appropriate family members could not be found to take placement of the children then family friends are the next step. I talked about her still being locked up, all these years later, because I really want to know is it because we believe she will commit more crimes or is it because we need more revenge? But Downs' story continued that when she got out of her car to help, the man told her that he wanted her vehicle. Lack of impulse control is also another symptom that might explain why a mother would stop at night to help a stranger flagging her on the road. The bitches own daughter identified Downs as the shooter. And the interrogations were not tapedand barelydocumented. Or that the sketch did not resemble the suspect enough? 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